Fitnathemovie.com Launched
Everyone is counting down. Geert Wilder’s Movie Fitna is not yet to be seen. Nevertheless a lot of attention is given to Geert Wilder’s Movie. It could cause diplomatic Conflicts with Muslim countries. The fact that Pakistan summoned The Netherlands’ ambassador on Wednesday to raise concerns about Geert Wilders’ anti-Koran film says enough!
Here is an interesting interview with Geert Wilders about his movie.
Tags: Fitna, Fitna The Movie, Geert Wilders, Koran, Muslim, Quran, Submission
March 7th, 2008 at 12:01 am
I wish I could see Geert Wilders face to face. I love to have a chat with him.lol
March 11th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
This is pretty much how Hitler started his revolution to do whatever it takes. At his time there were Jews, not to many Muslims around. Now, it is Muslims turn. Whatever happened to Christ’s (JESUS) message that should one slap you on one cheek turned the other one over too.
As I see it, Wilders like to take attention. Those who applauded him play right into his hand. No person with even half decency will try what he is doing. Wilders is writing a conflict that has not yet started. All I hope is that what happened in WWII namely to Jews does not happen to Muslims.
As for thinking Muslims are bad just because there are some terrorists, what about Hitler he was Christian. Both of the last two World Wars have been started by Christian people, if I may say so. Fanatics often belong to some religious or creed where playing with people’s emotions is so easy. What about slavery which can be sighted with almost every black African American. It was not done by anyone but all by Christian countries. Whatever happened to Native Americans and Australians! They are endangered species now thanks Christian governments.
With time people often forget. But history is there for those who seek it. In our present time, Al-Qaeda was founded and thought by CIA. CIA invited Osama Bin Laden to Afghanistan whereas Sadam Hussain was also a member of CIA. These facts are public just goggle it. Muslims religion has been hijacked by same people who now claim that it is intolerant. For the names I quoted above, they are just like Mr. Wilders stopping at nothing for their own personal agenda. None of them stand for even an iota of peace.
For those interested to know what is Islam (Muslims), read history and you will know it. During Muslim era in Palestine and Israel, all Churches, Synagogues and Temples were protected as they stand witness to this age. All religious groups practiced freely as their work stands witness to this age. See India after and before Muslim rule and you will see the truth. I encourage to you to read about Muslim Spain before and after. What Muslim rule does not allow is to harm anyone or any group. You don’t see any Muslim tarnishing Jesus Christ’s image, or an image of any other Religion or Creed. For Islam stands for freedom of speech as long as it does not violate or hurt other peoples feelings.
March 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Wilders is a gay man probably deprived of anal sex. We dutch are no all the same.You are a embarassment wilders.
All gays are mentally ill
March 12th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
thanks for fighting for our freedom of speech wilders. Keep it up!
March 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
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March 14th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Poor Geert Wilders, his life must be full of sorrow. a man with a lot of energy to hate must be sorrow. And the most i pity of him, he don’t understand about Islam, but hate it so much…
March 14th, 2008 at 8:20 am
GREAT Wilders, like Jesus he is so brave to tell the truth eventhough death will run after him. Jesus also knows that he is going to die, he is so sad, afraid and sorrow but he continue what he supposed to do and what he believes without doing any single VIOLENCE…without any single VIOLENCE!!!!!!! It is not only a matter of being dare to die BUT dare to die without making somebody else die.
It’s time for GREAT MUSLIM:
1. to wake up and condemn any type of VIOLENCE.
2. do not care with somebody else opinion. Opinion is not violence like a gun or a roadside bomb. Your dignity depends on how you appreciate your self, not the way somebody else appreciate you.
3. live with love for life.
Anybody who is killing human and initiate the war will meet together in hell not matter what religion he believes: Hitler, Bush, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, etc…unless they ask a forgiveness to God.
March 14th, 2008 at 11:58 am
@ WWII
Hitler was no Christian. In fact he hated all religions. But he realized that absolute power could not be achieved by banning the churches, because a vast majority of the German population was catholic. So instead of banning them, he took control of the churches and religious leaders, and used them to maintain and extend his dictatorial power.
The same is happening now with Islamic terrorist groups. They use the influence of religious leaders en mosks in order to increase their own power. So if there is a logical comparison between Hitler and a current global development, it will be the comparison with violent Islam instead of the liberal and free Western society.
March 14th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
YEAH YEAH,.. DEBATTING ARGUING BLA BLA AND THEN BOMBING,.. BLEUH
March 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Adolf Hitler has had a terrifying large influence on the political and ideological development in the Arab world of the past 70 years. I a large number of will place pieces, which among others shows that Hitler, already from the beginning of its rise, looked for the cooperation with the Arab Moslem world, to solve question jointly it Jews. To be book Mein Kampf still appeared for breaking out the second world war in Arab and is since then, to the day of today, a best-seller in much Arab countries as well as in Arab book shops in the west, among other things in London. In Mein Kampf Hitler spoke more about full admiration concerning the followers of Mohammed, but were he this way malignant them its not explain race theory. Kampf in Arab are moreover Jihad…. Furthermore LEADER of the Palestinians and apersonal friend of Hitler and Eichman can be read Husseini in a number of pieces concerning large Mufti Haj Amin already, then. These Mufti have looked among others personal for that 5000 Jewish children were not exchanged for German krijgsgevangen, but in the gaschamber disappeared. Those same Mufti have not been tried after 2nd the world war, because of the war between Israel and Egypt, but became in place of it a prominent character in the Arab world and the learning master of among other things Arafat. That Hitler has had a large influence on particularly the Palestijnen becomes clear from the names which gave one of the bodyguards of Arafat to its children: Eichman and Hitler…
I think Pete could be right!
March 16th, 2008 at 3:48 am
Once again, a needless provocation is about to unleashed by the Europeans against Muslims. Once again, world should get ready for the bloody riots in different cities of the world, and once again a new needless international crisis would begin.
In the Holland, a radical right-wing politician, this week, is broadcasting a provocative anti-Muslim film, which will broadcast images of the Quran being torn up and otherwise desecrated. This will surely result in repetition of the crisis sparked by the publication of cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in a Danish newspaper two years ago.
Then they ask why terrorism breeds in the Muslim world? When they start offending our faiths, what do they expect in return? If they don’t respect their religion and their religious personalities and even God, they must not think that the whole world is like them. We love our God, our Prophet and our faith. This is intolerance, high-handedness and terrorism on the part of Dutch politicians. He is more disgusting than Osama Bin Laden and he deserves severe punishment.
The spineless and shameless Geert Wilders, one of nine members of the extremist VVD (Freedom) party in the 150-seat Dutch lower house, has promised that his film will be broadcast - on television or on the internet - whatever the pressure may be. In November 2004, fury and violence followed the stabbing and shooting by a Dutch teenager of Moroccan parentage of the controversial film-maker Theo Van Gogh, a distant relative of the artist. The artist offended the Muslim by a very disparaging painting.
Why they do such nefarious and needless acts every after few months? Is it some kind of litmus test for the Muslims? We respect Christianity and their religious figures, and we respect all other religions. We have never made a movie or cartoon derogating their faith, then why they do it with us? Moderate and sensible Christians (which are there in majority of numbers) must come forward and stop these fanatics and terrorists.
March 16th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Very nice Geert, a kind of true and deep hero.
Help Europe conserving The Real face of Peace and Wisdom, wihout this Islam which is a non sense in occident.
March 16th, 2008 at 11:51 am
@Khurram Abbas
this is the reason why wilders does this, you think he is worse than osama? wilders hasn’t killed anyone, or harmed anyone… osama is a ruthless terrorist that killed, and planned the 9/11 attacks, how dare you even compare wilders to him…. wilders is a guy who believes in the rigth of free speach, which is one of the main rights in holland, and all you extremist moslims have nothing to do with what we do in holland, or the people in denmark, so go scrue yourself, and blow your self up some where else please!!!!
March 16th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Look like UK launch date is set for 23th March 2008.
hihihi
March 16th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Mohammed
The Arab Mohammed was political-religious a LEADER who lived in the sixth century. He started its carrier with robberies of caravans from Mekka, and conducted also field layers against troops of the same city. Also Medina - the city which used Mohammed as an operating base for its conquest excursions - did not remain of violence changed. For Mohammed several liquidations took place, among other things on the poetrist Asma bint Marwan and the poetrist Abu Afak and Kab ibn al-Ashraf. Another crime of Mohammed and is followers is a mass assassination: in 627 with approval of Mohammed 700 Jewish men were decapitated. Their women and children were turned into slave.
Paedophilia
The prophet Mohammed married among other things with Aïsha, a 9 year old daughter of a friend of him. The engagement with Aïsha was already settled on the age of 6. The moment the marriage was completed, the relation became also sexually of nature. Mohammed themselves were then moreover 54 years old.
This is so wrong
I’m sorry guys! I do have a daughter..But if it was my daughter, i cut his zub! or worse!.
March 16th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
MUHAMMAD - A Brief description:
“I HAVE STUDIED HIM - THE WONDERFUL MAN - AND IN MY OPINION FAR FROM BEING AN ANTI-CHRIST, HE MUST BE CALLED THE SAVIOR OF HUMANITY.” [George Bernard Shaw, in “The Genuine Islam,- Vol. 1, No. 81936.]
You may be a Christian Protestant, Catholic, Jew, an atheist or an agnostic; or you may belong to any of many different religious denominations existing in today’s world. You might even be a communist or believe in man’s democracy as the rule on earth.
Whoever you are and whatever ideological or political beliefs, social habits you may hold, there is no doubt -
You Must Know This MAN - MUHAMMAD (peace be upon him).
He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.
“HIS NAME IS MUHAMMAD” (May Peace of God Be Upon Him)
He was born in Arabia in the year 570 C.E. (Common Era), started his mission of preaching the religion of Truth, Islam (submission to One God at the age of forty and departed from this world at the age of sixty-three.
During this short period of 23 years of his prophet hood, he changed the complete Arabian Peninsula from paganism and idolatry to worship of One God, from tribal quarrels and wars to national solidarity and cohesion, from drunkenness and debauchery to sobriety and piety, from lawlessness and anarchy to disciplined living, from utter bankruptcy to the highest standards of moral excellence. Human history has never known such a complete transformation of a people or a place before or since - and IMAGINE all these unbelievable wonders in JUST OVER TWO DECADES.
The world has had its share of great personalities. But these were one sided figures who distinguished themselves in but one or two field, such as religious thought or military leadership. The lives and teachings of these great personalities of the world are shrouded in the mist of time. There is so much speculation about the time and place their birth, the mode and style of their life, the nature and detail of their teachings and the degree and measure of their success or failure that is impossible for humanity to reconstruct accurately the lives and teachings of these men.
Not so this man. Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) accomplished so much in such diverse fields of human thought and behavior in the fullest blaze of human history. Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.
Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) was a religious teacher, a social reformer, a moral guide, an administrative colossus, a faithful friend, a wonderful companion, a devoted husband, a loving father - all in one. No other man in history ever excelled or equaled him in any of these different aspects of life - but it was only for the selfless personality of Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) to achieve such incredible perfection.
Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) was nothing more or less than a human being. but he was a man with a noble mission, which was to unite humanity on the worship of ONE and ONLY ONE GOD and to teach them the way to honest and upright living based on the commands of God. He always described himself as, ‘A Servant and Messenger of God’ and so indeed every action of his proclaimed to be.
Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind’s many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad’s (Peace be upon Him) followers, but the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history.
The least YOU can do as thinking and concerned human being is to stop for a moment and ask your self: Could these statements sounding so extraordinary and revolutionary really be true? And supposing they really are true and you did not know this man MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon Him) or hear about him, isn’t it time you responded to this tremendous challenge and put in some effort to know him?
We invite you to make a discovery of this wonderful man, MUHAMMAD (Peace be upon Him), the like of whom never walked on the face of this earth.
March 16th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDf_FpKWe3c
March 17th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Looks like the UK release date has been set for 23rd March 2008
hehehe
March 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Characteristics of MOHAMED
1) Mass murderer. He killed hundred’s of Jewish and Christian men and made their wives as sex slaves.
2)He married a baby of 6yrs and raped her against her will.He was a peodophile who had sex with underage girls.
3)He legalised his sexual passion by allowing men to marry upto 4wives, though he married 53 women and had 100’s of concubines.
4)He was a womaniser who raped many women in the deserts.
5)He was a thief who killed the jews and stole money from them.
6) He was a xenophobic racist who called for the elimination of the Jews.
7)Above all he is a wolf in sheeps’ clothing described in the Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207:15;10:16;%20%20John%2010:12;%20Acts%2020:29;&version=49;
Islam should be banned as Nazism is banned. Islam is not a religion it is an ideology.The quran must be banned as the Mein kemph.
All Muslims must be prosecuted as treated as Nazi’s.
Poeple like Geert Wilders are the only RAY OF HOPE to Europe.
Let His Glorious movie be seen by the whole of Humanity and let all of them Denounce and Condemn Islam(Nazism)…
March 18th, 2008 at 7:15 am
from religion to war……get ready for riots.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
Hitler was not a Christian! Some people need to educate themselves in this matter. He was an atheist who believed in Darwins theory of evolution. “Survival of the fittest” Does that ring a bell?! Christians do not go to war for people making bad movies about Christianity. People make horrible movies about Christians all the time. Christians dont freak out about it. Its their CHOICE. A CHOICE is something every one should have. I cant wait to see this movie that is causing so much panic from the Muslims! What do they have to hide, i wonder??? The TRUTH maybe….
March 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Yes the usual hypocrisy of the Islamists “but we respect Christianity” while beheading Christian School girls in Indonesia, slaughtering Christians in Darfur, bombing westerners in Bali, Madrid, London and a 1000 other places.
The religion of the forked tongue is well and truly alive, be warned it’s only the Liberal Left in Europe that have kept you from being exterminated throughout Europe, I can’t wait for the movie I hope it causes riots and you crawl out of the woodwork for the majority to see just how backward your religion really is instead of deluding them with your pleas of “peace and love for all”….the Christians have an unenviable record of destruction time to show the cowardly Islamists what real jihad is.
March 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 am
As everyone have their views i have my own personal view….People who are judging islam on the basis what the so called muslims are doing for eg blowing themselfs,killing others marrying 4 wifes etc… Firstly i would like to say in the times Prophet Muhammad pbuh came women had no rights….The people off those times used to bury their baby daughters alive….When prophet Mohammad pbuh came he gave rights to women…..Women in that century had no rights plus they and children were kept slaves….He finished all this…. As for the remarks made by Akshay all i can say is if you want to know about Prophet Mohammad pbuh study the original bible not the bibles which have been changed by your churches….Dont judge the islamic teachings by looking at terrorists or at uneducated idiots who kill for pleasure….If you want to know the truth best thing you can do is study the Quran and its translation yourself…I cant force you and no one can force you to change your opinions but to know the right facts i suggest everyone here who have made bad remarks to study the Quran…Plus peace everyone
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:07 am
For all thoes who For Islam/Muslims I would like you to answer this.
If one of your family were blown up by an Muslim Sucide Bomber Would You Still Defend Islam?
If you answer Yes Then you Lie.
I have a friend. He is jewish. His Great Grandfather Fought For The Nazi’s In WW2 He was also Jewish. Do you think his family forgive him? Do you think his family defends Nazi’s? No They Don’t And You Wouldn’t If One Of Your Family Were Killed In The Name Of Islam.
As for the thing about Hitler Let me add Many muslims Joined The SS. Why is that? Because The Koran Told Them To Hate The Jews. Stooopid
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 am
londoner…sorry but the opportunity to give the “benefit of the doubt” has longed past, Muslims go wild at cartoons of Mohammed but say nothing about offensive cartoons about Jews…no one is interested anymore in the pleas of “its not the true Islam of the Koran” it’s worn thin and any tolerance has evaporated.
The problem is not even the Koran or its interpretation its those who sought to gain political power through it, not realising their naivety is going to be there undoing when greater forces that don’t want to give up political power decide that it is time Islam and its followers go.
450 million people use the Internet, it would be a fair assumption to say that they are of moderate - middle to high income, better hope that someone does not marry Technology with Messianic Religion that’s a lot of political / financial clout to focus on and eradicate the “Montheistic” religions, after all many would prefer their iPod, Cell Phone and PC to the backwardness of a few hundred or a few thousand year old religions.
Perhaps Ahmadinejad will get his wish sooner than he thinks.
March 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
listen i am a Muslim, i don’t hate jews, i don’t dislike Christians and plus no i don’t favor suicide bombers…What they are doing is non Islamic altogether…As Jordan has said if any of my family was blown by a suicide bomber would i defend Islam…Yes i would cause those stupid people who are killing innocent people in the name of Islam is altogether wrong…..No where in the Quran it says blow yourself up to kill civilians…It is the peoples mentality…Plus the people who are blowing them selfs are going straight to hell not heaven…
March 22nd, 2008 at 8:20 pm
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March 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
For evil to flourish all that is needed is for good men to say nothing.
When I hear the mases of “tolerant and peace loving” European Moslems condemn Al-Quaida, condemn Palestinian terrorism, condemn violence against innocent civilians (as happened in Madrid and London), condem the condem slavery (still existing in countries like Sudan and Yemen), and condemn anti-woman laws (such as limit women’s rights in Saudi Arabia and other coutnries) - then I will condemn Gert Wilders film.
Until I hear Moslems clerics renounce publicly that their religion iis superior to others (Judaism, Christianity, Bhuddism, etc.) and their schoolbooks reflect such a renunciation in fact - Until then I am with Gert Wilders 100% of the way.
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Londoner,
I believe there are a lot of good muslims who peace pro like you out there. It is really significant value to human life and to the world if you all speak peace and true Islam in the your family, mushalla, mosques, seminar and to the world rather than non-Muslim dictates what Muslim should do. Islam needs great, brave, fundamentalist and radicals people who can invite all Muslim to be pro on peace and leave all type of violence out; and criticize Imam or Muslim leader who spread hatred to non-Muslim, war and violence pro. Those bad Imam and Muslim Leader voice that need to be weaken or even completely banned since they are really spreading the spirit of evil. In my opinion, doing an evil thing is still better than spreading an evil. So ..are you brave enough? Ready to be hunted, killed or headed like Geert Wilder? Fundamentalist and radicals do not have to be accompanied with violence in what they are doing.
It’s been really a big mistake with what’s happening in the biggest muslim population country in the world which let immature muslim to be a speaker in the mushalla, mosque and sometimes goes on tv. They are really opposed to what you are thinking and they spread the hatred and provoke the violence. There should be a long education period and life experience before you preach the people. It’s like the falling snow ball effect which geting bigger and bigger. If you throw 1 false message, it turn into 10 or 100 or more false message out there.
The other thing I observed is most of Muslim (NOT ALL) do live in somebody else’s opinion. If you think the Mohammed prophet or the Qur’an is different to what non-Muslim described, why you should care. Let it go and don’t get bothered with that. People are different. Your life depends on how much you appreciate yourself, not the way or how much somebody else appreciate or judge you. I don’t think God will appreciate what yo do if you provoke a war and condemnation againts those non-Muslim. Your life will be much better if you spread love than war. There’s a lot of people which have no food out there that need more our attention and care…..why bothered with 15 minutes “Fitna”.
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Some are criticizing Christians because of the actions of men. If you remain focused and honest, you will see it was not Christianity for the wrong doing of men. There is no place for hatred and murder in the new testament. Any person who claims this is lying. The text is clear.
As for Geert Wilders, let him write what ever he wants. It is for us to discuss, discount and for his country to deal with him legally. If no man upset the rest of us we would have no intelligent topics to discuss. People need to address ideas even if they find them disgusting.
March 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Network Solutions pulled the plug on the Fitna site a few hours ago. I hope Geert puts up mirror sites. Maybe he should use Spirithorse as a host?
March 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 am
My God…..
Such Hatred i Feel Stamped As A Pig…
This movie is going to be intresting…
People are showing signs of discrimination allready…
they talk of freedom of speech…
but yet they try to deny human from following theiir Belief…
you guys can accept orgy partys and freaking teenagers gettin pregnant
but you guys have a problem with a student who covers her self in school..
Listen do us All a favor Read the Vicious Koran you guys have heard about
i can’t believe you still hav’t as in you knw the Guys who blow them selves up APPARENTLY follow it
The Koran shud have been a best seller… im disapointed…
go read it man!!!
As for the fact u guys dissing the last Prophet
Well
We Love Jesus(ESSA) ANd Mosas(MUSA)
Peace be Upon them
We Believe Jesus(ESSA) well come before the end of days
And Fight the Anti-Christ
We Believe Jesus(ESSA) Never Died
We Believe Ark Angel Gabriel(Jabriel) Blew through the sleeve of Mary(Mariam A.S) and she concieved Jesus(ESSA)
We Believe that 175000 Prophets Came which could be Buddha, Khrisna(Hinduism)…and numerous others
thats why we are not allowed to curse your Beliefs
but honour them..
Enough about Mohammed(SAW)
Learn About Our BelieFs
Read The Koran
Then Judge
it hurts me to see such hatred
we hate the sucide bombers
Its not allowed in islam to kill innocent Lives
or commit sucide may those batards burn in hell
Love Live Life comes Once
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Talk when you have seen the movie.
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
GO Geert! Geert Wilder reminds me of another great patriot , by the name of Patrick Henry. The “treason” speech, “give me liberty or give me death”, was given March 23, 1775, at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia. It stirred the masses as they exclaimed, ” To arms, to arms!” We face another war today, the battlefield lines extending around the world and the enemy of liberty and freedom, are followers of the Koran. The majority of Muslims in the world, remain silent and sympathetic towards their evil brothers, wreaking anarchy and chaos around the world. They enable these glorifiers of death and world destruction, to continue unabated in their quest for world domination. When the millions of Islamic faithful, parade through the streets in favor of death to “insert your country here”, they show their true faces and intentions. Let them stand up and parade for liberty and freedom, even sacrifice their lives for this democratic ideal. Don’t hold your breath, only cartoons and universal words of wisdom, against these barbaric cavemen, warrants their attention and wrath. I thank God, for the likes of Patrick Henry, George W. Bush and Geert Wilder, long may they live!
March 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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March 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
for cromwell, i have to clarify that is not beheading Christian School girls in Indonesia. ( i live in indonesia). i think you got wrong information.
and i strongly recommend you to read a true information about indonesia, islam. or better you don’t talk anything that you don’t know about.
March 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm
GOT FITNA-AMERICA BE RATIONAL
Fitna is not a word you most likely have heard or used before, but in the Arab-Muslim world they most assuredly know what fitna means. It is an Arabic word that can mean civil war. It can describe a disagreement or division within Islam. A trial of faith, secession, upheaval and anarchy can all be types of fitna. If you take these definitions of fitna and then watch the evening news dealing with the middle-east, you will observe many great examples. When there is perceived extreme moral stress that would force a Muslim to compromise an element of their faith (such as letting women drive a car or not physically assaulting women for expressing an opinion) this can cause fitna. When a Muslim community is fragmented such as when Shiite Muslims are out blowing up Sunni Muslims this might be considered fitna. The problem with fitna is a person can drop all pretense of rational thought and action, and just go ballistic in speech and deed. Fitna creates an excuse to take whatever hostile action against friend or enemy, blame it on Allah’s will and claim it to be a test of faith. We see so many examples of this in the TV media almost every day, we just think it is normal in the Muslim world. One description of fitna is it is the jihad (holy war) which returns as a boomerang inside and weakens the (Muslim) community. Fitna is constantly driven by irrational behavior. Behavior, that allows Muslims to vent their anger with what appears to us in the “west” to be done without guilt or responsibility. Fitna is described as obsessive fear (in the Muslim community) since Islam (first) existed. It is the irrational part that is maddening to the “west.” We know when our sons and daughters put on the uniform of the military that their lives are now on the line. They may have a successful career defending our nation and retire at a rip old age. But we also know they could be killed in the process. The process for us is however rational. The defenders go to school and get educated. They join their branch of service and are given some of the best military training in the world. They are outfitted with the latest state-of-the-art equipment. The leaders appointed above them make rational decisions about how these troops will be deployed. Are mistakes made? Do our leaders mess up on occasions and get troops hurt or even killed? Yes they do, but these unfortunate situations are not the norm. Our culture and society would not allow our elected and appointed leaders to mindlessly waste valuable life. I came remember hearing as far back as my childhood that life in Asia is cheap. I would suspect that for the man or woman on the ground in Asia trying to raise a family and see that their children survive, life is not cheap. Life is hard and the senior leadership of many Asian countries does not help matters much. When it comes to the Muslim world we in the west do not get it. In the Muslim Koran (8:39) it states “And fight with them until there is no more persecution (fitna) and religion should be only for Allah (Islam)”. What this means is in the Muslim world Allah (God) has directed them to continue the destructive fight with non-Muslim religions until they are destroyed or subjugated. Imagine if the Methodists of the world decided to use death and destruction to force all the religions of the west to become Methodists and only Methodists. Come on that is irrational you say. The west and specifically the US is always rational. They are not going to allow an American style fitna to disrupt and perpetually disrupt our “normal” society. There is the problem. The Muslim world and not just the extremist Muslim world, always expects the US to be the rational one. We are the constant they can depend on in their world of irrational behavior. Iran can act as irrational as they want about their nuclear weapons development program, but the west better not act irrational and attack any of their facilities. Remember under the Koran you fight and destroy all that does not bow to Allah. Do you believe that Iran will be rational when it gets its own nuclear weapon? Think of the fitna they can create with a nuclear bomb. Can Israel afford to be rational when Iran gets a nuclear weapon? Fitna and now there is the movie.
March 24th, 2008 at 1:25 am
Mohammad…. One man in a cave…. 600 years after Christ… and he rewrites the Old testement with crass mistakes… and states that all the 139 writers before him are all wrong….
Hmmm creditable? it sounds like someone had a bit of artisic licence, made a phoney cult and yet 100’s follow the oppression he created…..
10000’s of people dont follow Dan Browns book for they know it is written 2000 AD… why are muslims ignorant enough to follow the koran, 600AD when it is just as uncredit worthy….
My guess is that the middle eastern etc majority of muslims are poorly educated. Acadmics are scared to write out about the credit worthiness… and i can see why… well done mohammad for creating a fear culture… curse your name.
All those with free speach can say Mohammad, Caveman rewriting factual scripture, and giving himself authority…
MUSLIMS…. One man… One book… think about that for a bit!
March 24th, 2008 at 1:27 am
“Muslims are the FIRST VICTIMS of ISLAM” - - Ernst Renan
March 24th, 2008 at 2:39 am
There can only be peace when we are all dead or believers of ISLAM. The Koran states that they should kill non-believers (Infedels) And The Koran Calls Jews Pigs. The Koran is the new Mein Kampf. MoreHamHead Was A Peado and he beheaded 600 people him self. He made up the Koran for his own gain. And He Is Now In Hell Where He Belongs. Islam And Terroism Goes Hand In Hand. The Koran Instructs Them To Kill The Infedels And They Also Can Lie And It Is Not A Sin. They Can Lie To Save Them Selfs. Peaceful Muslims = Snakes in the grass waiting for the right moment to kill infedels.
March 24th, 2008 at 5:57 am
In the Name of ALLAH and All praise to ALLAH
I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped but ALLAH alone, who has no partner, and I bear witness that Muhammad (PBUH) is slave of ALLAH and Messenger of ALLAH.
Other than ALLAH is ALLAH’s creation. We are all ALLAH’s creation and we enjoy his creation and not to thankful to ALLAH for his blessings.
If you disbelieve in Quran means you are hiding the truth (Kafir), the truth will come out one day Just wait for the Sun to rise from the West and you will come to know the truth.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Sir George Bernard Shaw in ‘The Genuine Islam,’ Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.
“If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam.”
“I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion for from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity.”
“I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”
March 24th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Michael Hart in ‘The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons In History,’ New York, 1978.
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. …It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. …It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:37 am
K. S. Ramakrishna Rao in ‘Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,’ 1989
My problem to write this monograph is easier, because we are not generally fed now on that (distorted) kind of history and much time need not be spent on pointing out our misrepresentations of Islam. The theory of Islam and sword, for instance, is not heard now in any quarter worth the name. The principle of Islam that “there is no compulsion in religion” is well known.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Mahatma Gandhi, statement published in ‘Young India,’1924.
I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind…. I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet’s biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:38 am
De Lacy O’Leary in ‘Islam at the Crossroads,’ London, 1923.
History makes it clear, however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.
March 24th, 2008 at 6:40 am
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March 24th, 2008 at 7:48 am
ALL you need to know about Islam is here: PROPHETOFDOOM.NET
March 24th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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March 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Wahyu - MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ MORE !!
Three girls have been beheaded and another badly injured as they walked to a Christian school in Indonesia.
They were walking through a cocoa plantation near the city of Poso in central Sulawesi province when they were attacked.
This is an area that has a long history of religious violence between Muslims and Christians.
A government-brokered truce has only partially succeeded in reducing the number of incidents in recent years.
Police say the heads were found some distance from the bodies.
Do you live in a different Indonesia then ?
March 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Cromwell, i live about 3 hours from Poso ( we call it Makassar). Please note Poso condition not like you heard. They kill each other not because of religion (Muslim and Christians). but the kill each other because politic reason ( Poso will separate to become new province). so many politician make bad issue. to get attention from Jakarta (influence, money, etc)
But they use issue religion ( you know it is easy to motivate non educate people with religion issue). They burn church and mosque. but this is for political reason. I know well about this. but i never heard beheaded cristian school. please clarify
March 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Does brainwashing of the multitudes ring a bell? Apparently not, what good is mindless Grey matter, that acquiesces to the opiate of the masses, lacks the common sense to question authority and brings upon it’s followers the shackles of slavery, the yoke of fear and the hypocrisy of self righteousness? It will take generations to free the victims minds, of Islam’s influence and carnage, just as it took generations to enslave them. The dark ages, reflected in the light of truth and justice, will exact a toll from those whom seek to undermine and destroy our civilizations and find a daunting task in their futile attempt, to crush the spirit of freedom, innate in all human beings, even those of dubious theocracies. It is my sincere hope that Fitna - the movie, has the intended reaction, to draw them out and extract the poison from the minds, afflicted by the ravages and carnage of Islam. Yes, let them come out into the streets of the world, so that we may pity their shame and witness their pangs of withdrawal. He who lives by the sword, shall surely cast his neck down upon his own blade. For they love death, more than we love life. Let their evil journey begin, we will show them the way. The followers of the Koran, are the lost sheep being led off to slaughter, their contaminated meat not fit for dogs or the troughs of pigs. Let the worms have their fill of the rotting waste, of the enemies of freedom and mankind. Let heir putrid remains, be the manure for a thorny garden in Hell, where Mohammed reigns supreme. The apathy and ignorance of Muslims, shall be their death knell. There will be no peace, until the enemy is vanquished and cast into the fires, from whence they came. Death to Islam. LMAO
March 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Wahyu…people use a great many excuses and religio-politics is one of them, politicans and religious leaders will always find some “context” in which to fight and in that region it happens to be Muslim - Christian, some conflicts are Religiously instigated, some are on Ethnic lines and some are political ideology but the majority are Religious and you will see that Religion is Islam (not my perception but factual).
March 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
cromweel, you right. religio-polictic or religio-economic. but i never beheaded cristian school in poso. that is our discussion point
March 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Wahyu - The story is here, maybe they wished to keep it quiet in Indonesia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4387604.stm
March 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Cromwell, thanks for the info. i just know that news, and i can not clarify that news. sorry. but the fact is poso they kill each other used to, now is already peace. What i know is they used to happy leaving together, sometime one house/family have 2 religion (Muslim and Christian), but after Poso will separate to other provience they kill each other. only because of politic reason.
March 24th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Wayhu - but this poison is not limited to Poso.
ISLAMIC cleric Abu Bakar Bashir has returned to his hardline rhetoric with a call for followers to “beat up” Western tourists and for young Muslims to die as martyrs.
The sermon was organised by the youth group Persatuan Pemuda Islam Pantura (Java North Coast Islamic Youth Group) and delivered on October 22 last year.
It was captured on videotape by Darwin-based political science PhD student Nathan Franklin, who was conducting research at Islamic boarding schools in east Java.
Bashir’s address was observed by the village’s police chief and a horde of plain-clothes Indonesian police officers. It was also attended by relatives of Amrozi, who travelled to the sermon from the Bali bomber’s former Islamic boarding school on the village’s outskirts.
The cleric has warned of retribution should the Bali bombers be executed by firing squad.
During the sermon, Bashir talked of a previous visit to Australia, claiming that he had wanted to see the “beauty of the ocean” but was told by a friend there was “one condition” of a visit to the beach.
“He said if you enter that area you must be completely naked,” Bashir told the crowd of about 300 hearing his sermon.
Bashir likened non-Muslims to crawling animals. “Worms, snakes, maggots - those are animals that crawl. Take a look at Bali … those infidel tourists. They are naked.”
He called for signs to be erected across Indonesia warning tourists they were entering a Muslim area, and directing they cover up appropriately. But in east Java, he urged the Islamist youth to “beat up” foreigners.
“God willing, there are none here,” Bashir said. “If there were infidels here, just beat them up. Do not tolerate them.”
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23421343-601,00.html
March 24th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
sorry cromwell, this news is not true. i found many news like this. because somepeople doesn’t happy if foreginer going to indonesia. and please note we are compete with other contry to get tourist attention. because is south east asia tourist is the most important source of dollar. please do not generate this is Islam or Indonesia. for your information Indonesia is multyreligion, we have 5 religion (Islam, Katolik, Protestan, Budha and Hindu). we live together as harmony. some area Islam is majority (java, Sumatera). some area Christian is majority (Poso, Toraja,). and HIndu (Bali). From what i see if Islam is Majority, we can live happy. but in the area where Islam is minority it will we problem (Poso, Ambon, etc). In General we are live happy in harmony, only if political situation is hot it will be problem (you will see next year, that is ellection day, it will be a problem again, could be bomb or something), this is because the political man use religion issue.
March 24th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Wahyu - so in effect you are saying “as long as Islam is the majority then you can live okay, but when it is not there is trouble” so that kind of suggests bow to Islam or else does it not ?
March 24th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
wrong conclution, please don’t generalize. i give my opinion base on indonesia political situation, not Islam in general. Because indonesia is big country, has 131.00 Island and 220 Million population (can you image?) and rich of source of nature (oil, gold, timber and etc). and most population is low education. so the people who has political power is very simple to used Islam and non Islam issue. Cromwell dear, i think you are educated people, nice to know you. but please do not generate everything, only from one source. When you read about Islam in Poso or Indonesia is not represend all about Islam. Islam teach us to love each other in peace, and we respect all religion.
March 24th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called “religious rights.”
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to “the reasonable” Muslim demands for their “religious rights,” they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris — car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam — Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of “Dar-es-Salaam” — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. “Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, “The Haj”
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.. http://www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm
March 24th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
There is no reasoning or diplomacy with Islam, only the illusion as they infiltrate, divide and conquer from within. There is no such thing, as a moderate Muslim. A follower of Islam, can never be a good citizen of any country, where freedom and diversity, is the political base. If they consider themselves moderate, then they are infidels. Until the defeat of Islam, there will never be relative world peace. The Koran can not be revised, it must be banished or destroyed. Without the Koran, there is no Islam. Without Islam there are no Muslims. Now there’s the real answer, for relative world peace. Islam MUST be wiped from the face of the earth, there is no place of refuge for the dark ages, in our modern world. To allow Islam to flourish around the world, is to invite submission and slavery into our midst. Open your eyes, look at the EU, where Islam’s influence, has already gained a foothold and significantly changed their societies. France has recently considered Sharia law, be incorporated into their country’s judicial systems. This is the beginning of the end for France and like during WWII, we will once again, find ourselves rescuing them from themselves. Proof history repeats itself, when the previous lessons are ignored. Make no mistake, Islam is as dangerous today, as it ever was. There is much more at stake, than ever before. We must crush the enemy or be consumed by them. Mohammed was a madman, a liar and a thief. The Koran, was his map to the treasures of the world, to be plundered and conquered, in the name of Allah. The treasure I speak of, is not gold or oil, it is the very souls of mankind, the greatest resource of all. This is why we are at war around the world and why the enemy must be soundly defeated, with no place left to hide. Islam must DIE!
March 24th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
DavidMountain, did your religion teach you to kill Islam in the world? look your statistic. Muslim is everywhere. You ask your self, are you good human if you kill other? that all you get from you book?
March 24th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
wahyu . . . you may surmise and speculate all you want about my “religion”, it has no bearing or comparison in my belief that Islam represents a serious threat in todays world. It’s not about religion, it’s about survival. Islam is far more than a religion. Read my previous posts and you will have the answer you seek. My religion doesn’t dictate the actions needed, to cope with the threat of Islam, survival does. Islam has declared war and war is what it will get in return. We find them and we kill them, because there is no alternative.
March 25th, 2008 at 3:18 am
Islam is against the God of the Jews, Christians - the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Therefore, the Islamists will not be persecuted like the Jews, or Christians for that matter. Why? Because Islam is against the God of Peace, Justice, and truth. Islam is no threat to Satan, the God of this world, who supports Islam.
Whoever says that Muslims will be persecuted like the Jews in Nazi Germany have got to be kidding themselves. Look at the uproar over a comic of Muhammed. Look at the uproar of Fitna movie before it’s even released. Any negative reaction to Fitna just proves anything Wilders has to say about the Islamic religion. Its just Ironic because Islamists are making the rest of the world hate them through their totally undemocratic actions. Jesus said “those who take up the sword will die by the sword”.
I’m not a supporter of Wilders, for I do not know everything that he preaches, but I certainly look forward to Fitna the movie.
My message is to Muslims: Your enemy is not Geert Wilders, but Satan who wants you dead! Read the HOLY INJIL ! Sura 5:68 . Believe on Christ!
March 25th, 2008 at 3:38 am
Oh so Anti-Christian movies are released every day but God forbid someone make an Anti-Muslim movie?!? Hypocrites!! I think lately there has been an awful lot of reverse discrimination going on against the white/Christian people. We’re suppose to tolerate all the bullshit but we say one thing against another group and we are RACISTS.
Why don’t more Muslims stand up against the radicals of their religion? Hmm? Can somebody answer that? Nope! You know why? Because they’re either AFRAID to, or they AGREE. Since when has some Christian had to be afraid that they would be BEHEADED if they did not follow their religion to the letter? Ancient centuries ago? The ones these terrorist nuts are STILL LIVING IN? There are some things in the Bible that went down long ago, but our religion has EVOLVED enough to know that a CIVILIZED society doesn’t uphold ancient methods for dealing with so-called “sinners”.
By the way all you little liberal do-gooders on here….they happen to hate YOU and your “if it feels good, do it” crap the most. Esp. strong-minded, powerful women….anything to do with sex….and homosexuality. SO, keep in mind that if they do gain control, YOU will be the first ones to go. That goes for all the rose-colored-glasses-wearing idiots running Hollyweird and the media who seem to be more UN-American these days than our own enemies.
Man, I can’t wait. It’s unbelievable. Libs are so open-minded that their damn brains have fallen out. They are writing their own ticket to being dominated. Oh, and all of you are lucky you can still hold your little protests here in the USA, because if you lived in a Muslim majority country and tried that crap they would take off your head. What a bunch of bleeding heart brain donors. It’s been said before, but I firmly do believe that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
So in the end, I guess IF you’re all for free speech and the first amendment and all that stuff you’re always whining about, then this movie should be allowed to be shown, just like anything else out there. And maybe the peace-loving Muslims that are posting on here should start standing up for, and upholding, what they claim is the REAL message in their holy book. Stereotypes happen for a REASON, after all!! Help us squash the idiot terrorists, won’t ya’?
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
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March 25th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Excellent Davidsmountain for showing us the true face of Islam..
I always wonder why Europe is not banning Islam(TERRORISM) just as Nazism is banned. Why the quran(terrorist manual) is not treated as the Mein Kemph.
I hope Geert Wilders gets a majority number of seats in the Parliament and sets an axample for other European countries to follow.
The DESERT cult(TERRORISM=ISLAM) should not be allowed in Europe or in the US
March 25th, 2008 at 7:38 am
Miguel: you are welcome. http://www.prophetofdoom.net
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
March 25th, 2008 at 8:51 am
I think it’s a stupit religion. Wilders is a good man. Stupid MUSLIMS
March 25th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of our civilization. There can be no such thing as, a “good” or “moderate”, Muslim American. Islam does not assimilate into a society, it dominates it. There is never any “getting along” with Islam, except through acquiescence. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: requiring total submission.Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct. We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated. Islam declares that we are the enemies of Allah. If we do not learn the political doctrine of Islam we will end up just like the first victims of Islam — the tolerant, polytheist Arabs of Saudi Arabia who became the Wahabbis (a very strict branch of Islam) of today, the most intolerant culture on the face of the earth.
Center for the Study of Political Islam Director Warns: ‘Know thy Enemy’
Dr. Bill Warner’s interview with Frontpage Magazine on: 2/27/07
Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Bill Warner, the director of the Center for the Study of Political Islam (CSPI). CSPI’s goal is to teach the doctrine of political Islam through its books and it has produced a series on its focus. Mr. Warner did not write the CSPI series, but he acts as the agent for a group of scholars who are the authors.
FP: Bill Warner, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
Warner: Thank you Jamie for this opportunity.
FP: Tell us a bit about the Center for the Study of Political Islam.
Warner: The Center for the Study of Political Islam is a group of scholars who are devoted to the scientific study of the foundational texts of Islam—Koran, Sira (life of Mohammed) and Hadith (traditions of Mohammed). There are two areas to study in Islam, its doctrine and history, or as CSPI sees it—the theory and its results. We study the history to see the practical or experimental results of the doctrine. CSPI seems to be the first group to use statistics to study the doctrine. Previous scientific studies of the Koran are primarily devoted to Arabic language studies. Our first principle is that Koran, Sira and Hadith must be taken as a whole. We call them the Islamic Trilogy to emphasize the unity of the texts.
Our major intellectual breakthrough is to see that dualism is the foundation and key to understanding Islam. Everything about Islam comes in twos starting with its foundational declaration: (1) there is no god but Allah and (2) Mohammed is His prophet. Therefore, Islam is Allah (Koran) and the Sunna (words and deeds of Mohammed found in the Sira and Hadith).
Endless ink has been wasted on trying to answer the question of what is Islam? Is Islam the religion of peace? Or is the true Islam a radical ideology? Is a moderate Muslim the real Muslim? This reminds a scientist of the old arguments about light. Is light a particle or is light a wave? The arguments went back and forth. Quantum mechanics gave us the answer. Light is dualistic; it is both a particle and a wave. It depends upon the circumstances as to which quality manifests. Islam functions in the same manner.
Our first clue about the dualism is in the Koran, which is actually two books, the Koran of Mecca (early) and the Koran of Medina (later). The insight into the logic of the Koran comes from the large numbers of contradictions in it. On the surface, Islam resolves these contradictions by resorting to “abrogation”. This means that the verse written later supersedes the earlier verse. But in fact, since the Koran is considered by Muslims to be the perfect word of Allah, both verses are sacred and true. The later verse is “better,” but the earlier verse cannot be wrong since Allah is perfect. This is the foundation of dualism. Both verses are “right.” Both sides of the contradiction are true in dualistic logic. The circumstances govern which verse is used.For example:(Koran of Mecca) 73:10: Listen to what they [unbelievers] say with patience, and leave them with dignity.
From tolerance we move to the ultimate intolerance, not even the Lord of the Universe can stand the unbelievers:(Koran of Medina) 8:12: Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the unbelievers’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fingers!” All of Western logic is based upon the law of contradiction—if two things contradict, then at least one of them is false. But Islamic logic is dualistic; two things can contradict each other and both are true. No dualistic system may be measured by one answer. This is the reason that the arguments about what constitutes the “real” Islam go on and on and are never resolved. A single right answer does not exist. Dualistic systems can only be measured by statistics. It is futile to argue one side of the dualism is true. As an analogy, quantum mechanics always gives a statistical answer to all questions.
For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes—97%. Is jihad inner struggle? Yes—3%. So if you are writing an article, you can make a case for either. But in truth, almost every argument about Islam can be answered by: all of the above. Both sides of the duality are right.
FP: Why, in your view, is there so much ignorance about the history and doctrine of political Islam in the West?
Warner: First, let’s see how ignorant we are about the history of political Islam. How many Christians can tell you how Turkey or Egypt became Islamic? What happened to the Seven Churches of Asia mentioned in Paul’s letters? Find a Jew who can tell you the Jewish history of dhimmitude (second class citizens who serve Islam). What European knows that white women were the highest priced slaves in Mecca? Everyone knows how many Jews Hitler killed, but find an unbeliever who can tell you how many died in jihad over the last 1400 years.
We are just as ignorant about the doctrine of Islam. An FBI agent gets two hours of training on Islam and most of that is how not to offend the imam. We are fighting in Iraq. Who utilizes the political, military doctrine of Islam to plan strategy? Who can find a single rabbi or minister who has read the Koran, Sira and Hadith? What governor, senator, congressmen or military leader displays a knowledge of the political doctrine of Islam? Try to find a course available in a college about Islamic political doctrine and ethics. Graduates are schooled in Islamic art, architecture, poetry, Sufism, and a glorious history that ignores the suffering of the innocent unbelievers. Graduates read comments about the Koran and Hadith, but do not read the actual doctrine.
FP: So why this ignorance?
Warner: Let’s start at the beginning. When Islam burst out of Arabia into a decaying Byzantine world, the unbelievers recorded it as an Arabic invasion. Similarly, the invasion of Eastern Europe was by Turks; the invasion of Spain was by Moors. Our scholars were incapable of even naming the invaders. Mohammed killed every single intellectual or artist who opposed him. It was fear that drove the vast majority of the media not to reprint the Mohammed cartoons, not some imagined sensitivity. Fear is a fabulous basis for ignorance, but that is not enough to explain it all. What accounts for the almost psychotic aversion to knowledge about Islam? Beyond fear is the realization that political Islam is profoundly foreign to us. Let’s examine the ethical basis of our civilization. All of our politics and ethics are based upon a unitary ethic that is best formulated in the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would be treated.
The basis of this rule is the recognition that at one level, we are all the same. We are not all equal. Any game of sports will show that we do not have equal abilities. But everyone wants to be treated as a human being. In particular, we all want to be equal under the law and be treated as social equals. On the basis of the Golden Rule—the equality of human beings—we have created democracy, ended slavery and treat women and men as political equals. So the Golden Rule is a unitary ethic. All people are to be treated the same. All religions have some version of the Golden Rule except Islam.
FP: So how is Islam different in this context?
Warner: The term “human being” has no meaning inside of Islam. There is no such thing as humanity, only the duality of the believer and unbeliever. Look at the ethical statements found in the Hadith. A Muslim should not lie, cheat, kill or steal from other Muslims. But a Muslim may lie, deceive or kill an unbeliever if it advances Islam. There is no such thing as a universal statement of ethics in Islam. Muslims are to be treated one way and unbelievers another way. The closest Islam comes to a universal statement of ethics is that the entire world must submit to Islam. After Mohammed became a prophet, he never treated an unbeliever the same as a Muslim. Islam denies the truth of the Golden Rule.
By the way, this dualistic ethic is the basis for jihad. The ethical system sets up the unbeliever as less than human and therefore, it is easy to kill, harm or deceive the unbeliever. Now mind you, unbelievers have frequently failed at applying the Golden Rule, but we can be judged and condemned on its basis. We do fall short, but it is our ideal.
There have been other dualistic cultures. The KKK comes to mind. But the KKK is a simplistic dualism. The KKK member hates all black people at all times; there is only one choice. This is very straightforward and easy to see. The dualism of Islam is more deceitful and offers two choices on how to treat the unbeliever. The unbeliever can be treated nicely, in the same way a farmer treats his cattle well. So Islam can be “nice”, but in no case is the unbeliever a “brother” or a friend. In fact, there are some 14 verses of the Koran that are emphatic—a Muslim is never a friend to the unbeliever. A Muslim may be “friendly,” but he is never an actual friend. And the degree to which a Muslim is actually a true friend is the degree to which he is not a Muslim, but a hypocrite.
FP: You mentioned earlier how logic is another point of profound difference. Can you touch on that?
Warner: To reiterate, all of science is based upon the law of contradiction. If two things contradict each other, then at least one of them has to be false. But inside of Islamic logic, two contradictory statements can both be true. Islam uses dualistic logic and we use unitary scientific logic. Since Islam has a dualistic logic and dualistic ethics, it is completely foreign to us. Muslims think differently from us and feel differently from us. So our aversion is based upon fear and a rejection of Islamic ethics and logic. This aversion causes us to avoid learning about Islam so we are ignorant and stay ignorant. Another part of the aversion is the realization that there is no compromise with dualistic ethics. There is no halfway place between unitary ethics and dualistic ethics. If you are in a business deal with someone who is a liar and a cheat, there is no way to avoid getting cheated. No matter how nice you are to a con man, he will take advantage of you. There is no compromise with dualistic ethics. In short, Islamic politics, ethics and logic cannot be part of our civilization. Islam does not assimilate, it dominates. There is never any “getting along” with Islam. Its demands never cease and the demands must be met on Islam’s terms: submission.
The last reason for our aversion to the history of political Islam is our shame. Islam put over a million Europeans into slavery. Since Muslims can’t be enslaved, it was a white Christian who was the Turkish sultan’s sex slave. These are things that we do not want to face. Jews don’t want to acknowledge the history of political Islam, because they were dhimmis, second class citizens or semi-slaves, just like the Christians. Jews like to recall how they were advisors and physicians to powerful Muslims, but no matter what the Jew did or what position he held, he was still a dhimmi. There is no compromise between being equal and being a dhimmi
Why should a Hindu want to recall the shame of slavery and the destruction of their temples and cities? After Hindu craftsmen built the Taj Mahal, the Muslim ruler had their right hands cut off so that they could not build anything as beautiful for anyone else. The practice of suttee, the widow throwing herself on the husband’s funeral pyre, came about as a response to the rape and brutality of the Islamic jihad as it sweep over ancient Hindustan. Blacks don’t want to face the fact that it was a Muslim who rounded up their ancestors in Africa to wholesale to the white slave trader. The Arab is the true master of the African. Blacks can’t accept the common bond they share with whites: that both Europeans and Africans were slaves under Islam. Blacks like to imagine Islam is their counterweight to white power, not that Islam has ruled them for 1400 years. Dualistic logic. Dualistic ethics. Fear. Shame. There is no compromise. These are the reasons we don’t want to know about Islam’s political history, doctrine or ethics.
FP: So is there such a thing as non-political Islam?
Warner: Non-political Islam is religious Islam. Religious Islam is what a Muslim does to avoid Hell and go to Paradise. These are the Five Pillars—prayer, charity to Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting and declaring Mohammed to be the final prophet. But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.
Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam.
Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader. In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and treated.
FP: Can you touch briefly on the history of political Islam?
Warner: The history of political Islam starts with Mohammed’s immigration to Medina. From that point on, Islam’s appeal to the world has always had the dualistic option of joining a glorious religion or being the subject of political pressure and violence. After the immigration to Medina, Islam became violent when persuasion failed. Jihad entered the world.
After Mohammed’s death, Abu Bakr, the second caliph, settled the theological arguments of those who wished to leave Islam with the political action of death by the sword. The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king) exploded into the world of the unbelievers. Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the Hindu to be the victims of jihad. The history of political Islam is the destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa. Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part of Europe (part of the Roman Empire). Around 60 million Christians were slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus killed.
The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great’s army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the practical result of pacifism. Zoroastrianism was eliminated from Persia. The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam. In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad. Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school.
FP: How have our intellectuals responded to Islam?
Warner: The basis of all the unbeliever’s thought has collapsed in the face of Islamic political thought, ethics and logic. We have already mentioned how our first intellectuals could not even name the invaders as Muslims. We have no method of analysis of Islam. We can’t agree on what Islam is and have no knowledge about our suffering as the victims of a 1400-year jihad. Look at how Christians, Jews, blacks, intellectuals and artists have dealt with Islamic doctrine and history. In every case their primary ideas fail. Christians believe that “love conquers all.” Well, love does not conquer Islam. Christians have a difficult time seeing Islam as a political doctrine, not a religion. The sectarian nature of Christian thought means that the average non-Orthodox Christian has no knowledge or sympathy about the Orthodox Christian’s suffering.
Jews have a theology that posits a unique relationship between Jews and the creator-god of the universe. But Islam sees the Jews as apes who corrupted the Old Testament. Jews see no connection between Islam’s political doctrine and Israel. Black intellectuals have based their ideas on the slave/victim status and how wrong it was for white Christians to make them slaves. Islam has never acknowledged any of the pain and suffering it has caused in Africa with its 1400-year-old slave trade. But blacks make no attempt to get an apology from Muslims and are silent in the presence of Islam. Why? Is it because Arabs are their masters?
Multiculturalism is bankrupt against Islam’s demand for every civilization to submit. The culture of tolerance collapses in the face of the sacred intolerance of dualistic ethics. Intellectuals respond by ignoring the failure. Our intellectuals and artists have been abused for 1400 years. Indeed, the psychology of our intellectuals is exactly like the psychology of the abused wife, the sexually abused child or rape victim. Look at the parallels between the response of abuse victims and our intellectuals. See how violence has caused denial.
EXAMPLES:
A). The victims deny that the abuse took place: Our media never reports the majority of jihad around the world. Our intellectuals don’t talk about how all of the violence is connected to a political doctrine.
B). The abuser uses fear to control the victim: What was the reason that newspapers would not publish the Mohammed cartoon? Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence for his novel. What “cutting edge” artist creates any artistic statement about Islam? Fear rules our intellectuals and artists.
C). The victims find ways to blame themselves: We are to blame for the attacks on September 11, 2001. If we try harder Muslims will act nicer. We have to accommodate their needs.
D). The victim is humiliated: White people will not talk about how their ancestors were enslaved by Islam. No one wants to claim the victims of jihad. Why won’t we claim the suffering of our ancestors? Why don’t we cry about the loss of cultures and peoples? We are too ashamed to care.
E). The victim feels helpless: “What are we going to do?” “We can’t kill 1.3 billion people.” No one has any understanding or optimism. No one has an idea of what to try. The only plan is to “be nicer.”
F). The victim turns the anger inward: What is the most divisive issue in today’s politics? Iraq. And what is Iraq really about? Political Islam. The Web has a video about how the CIA and Bush planned and executed September 11. Cultural self-loathing is the watchword of our intellectuals and artists. We hate ourselves because we are mentally molested and abused. Our intellectuals and artists have responded to the abuse of jihad just as a sexually abused child or a rape victim would respond. We are quite intellectually ill and are failing at our job of clear thinking. We can’t look at our denial.
FP: So summarize for us why it is so crucial for us to learn the doctrine of political Islam.
Warner: Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct. We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated. Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of political Islam, our civilization will be annihilated just as Egypt’s Coptic civilization was annihilated. Since unbelievers must know the doctrine of political Islam to survive, CSPI has written all of its books in simple English. Our books are scholarly, but easy to read. As an example, anyone who can read a newspaper can pick up A Simple Koran and read and understand it. It is not “dumbed down” and contains every single word of the original.
Not only is the language simple, but logic has been used to sort and categorize. Context and chronology have been restored. The result is a Koran that is an epic story ending in triumph over all enemies of Allah. Islam declares that we are the enemies of Allah. If we do not learn the political doctrine of Islam we will end up just like the first victims of Islam—the tolerant, polytheist Arabs of Saudi Arabia who became the Wahabbis (a very strict branch of Islam) of today, the most intolerant culture on the face of the earth.All of our books and philosophy may be found at our center’s website.
FP: Bill Warner, thank you for joining us today.
Warner: Jamie, thank you for your kindness and efforts.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
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March 25th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Davidsmountain - WELL SAID.
And TRUE.
And anyone that does not believe that is either blind or ignorant or one of those slap happy liberal types that think there is good in everyone.
NEWSFLASH: THERE IS GOOD IN MOST PEOPLE….but not ALL. And like the schoolyard bully that doesn’t understand any retaliation other than violence….those that act as terrorists must be dealt with accordingly.
I believe it was Brigitte Gabriel (author “Because They Hate”) who I once heard say it best. She said….when you are at war, you will lose people. Some innocent lives will be lost, but it’s like having cancer…sometimes to get all the bad cells, some of the good ones get taken out as well. I think that is one of the best analogies I’ve heard so far. And if you ask me…I think it’s time we start the “Chemo” over there.
March 25th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
PS: Majed (and the rest of you) - spoken like a true Muslim, congrats, you just strengthened our argument you dumb shit.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:00 am
I admit, I enjoy getting under their skin with reason and truth. Majed sounds like a hard up suicide candidate to me. Simple words and pictures are all it takes, to draw them out from under their rocks. The trick is don’t engage them in discussion, it keeps them from proselytizing and re-enforcing their psychosis. Geert Wilder’s movie will surely stir the pot and it will be yet another example, of how the Islamic faithful and their actions, speak louder than words. I hear them loud and clear and I don’t listen to a word they say. Talk is cheap, let’s get down to it and rock their world. They have met their master and it isn’t Mohammed or Allah. The free world will redefine their definition of “GREAT”! Islam is a placeholder for the desperate and conquered, it’s time has passed and in it’s place will come the law and justice they deserve, for their evil deeds. You can hide your faces from the light of truth, but when you hear the clap of thunder and your life is snuffed out like a candle, you will know the vengeance and retribution, of all the victims Islam has claimed over the centuries. We the free, shall reign over the cowardly followers of Islam. There is a better way for them . . . scoop them off the walls and streets and bury them 6 foot under. It’s easy to be a martyr, when you have no hope in one hand and the Koran in the other.
March 26th, 2008 at 6:37 am
In Letter To Al-Azhar Sheikh, Netherlands Gov’t Dissociates Itself From MP Geert Wilders
In a letter to Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyed Tantawi, the government of the Netherlands clarified that the views of MP Geert Wilders and his understanding of Islam were not representative of those of the government.
The letter followed Wilders’s insistence on screening a film he made criticizing Islam.
Sheikh Tantawi demanded that the Netherlands government take more forceful action against Wilders, and added that the protection given to those harming Islam will negatively affect Egyptian-Dutch relations.
Source: Al-Ahram, Egypt, March 25, 2008
So it goes! You are not alone Geert Wilder! Your government may not have a backbone, but you are the beacon of truth, shining in a dark world. The war goes on everyday across the battle lines, you have the courage of a seasoned soldier. Let em have it!
March 26th, 2008 at 9:07 am
I wanna meet & Kill the dam Director of this Hate movie.
to kill and to kill every person who had create this type of hate movies
March 26th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
islam is compatible with democracy ……. NOT!
THANK YOU GEERT WILDERS, THANKS POPE BENEDICT XVI, THAMKS WAFA SULTAN! THANKS ROBERT SPENCER! THANKS DAVID HOROWITZ!
THANKS TO ALL WHO DEFEND FREEDOM!
March 26th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
The truth about islam - a notoriously fascist ideology - is gradually coming out at last.
It is clear from some hateful comments left here that they have no idea of freedom of thought and religion. All they can think of is to express their hate and make childish comparisons with hitler, jews and the like which is a million miles away from the truth.
58 islamic states are using all their might to prevent us from hearing a truthful and unbiased message. They should know better : truth always prevails in the end.
Islam is a fascistic system, it wants to rule the world and does not accept the expression of other philosophies. The best proff is that it is not even allowed to show a christian book in public in some countries, let alone have palces of worship for other religions. This is typically fascist and intolerant and racist.
All the oil money in the world and all the hateful violence and threats of muslims will not shut out the truth about their evil ideology. It may take a year or 10 years but, in the end, the truth will prevail.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
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ONLY 2% OF THE DUTCH PEOPLE AGREE WITH GEERT WILDERS
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please do not hold the other 98% responsible for what this silly man is saying!
March 27th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
And here it is
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
March 27th, 2008 at 9:26 pm
the real Hitler are the Moslems, for who non believers are inferior beings. To equate mr wilders views as being racist is quite ridiculous. BTW I am a native Ceylonese Tamil, and having lived in Moslem majority towns in the UK I can assure that these people certainly have an agenda and are evil. Like many of us once stood up against racism we should all stand up against islamo fascist
March 27th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
well, why this war against islam and muslims figures? just because you hate muslims nothing else. You cant change the reality that, there are more than 100000 every year convert to islam from chrichianty. the islam will domenate whole the world soon and you should get be ready for that. Go to hell GEERT WILDERS and all your stubid supporters.
March 27th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I dont blame the non Muslims who criticize our religion, our prophet and our holy book.. the blame should be on the people who say they are muslims and make our picture look like this..who made Islam looks as religion of hating others and killing them…and by the way those people are also killing other Muslims…
but anyway i dont think what I said will change anything..
I believe if the reaction of Muslims will be violence, then they will proof what this man want to say…….and thats what make me sad actually….
March 28th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Any belief system that teaches that some human beings are superior to other human beings cannot be correct, and should not be respected or promulgated. If human history tells us anything, that is the lesson we should learn.
On this basis, Mohammedanism must be rejected because of not only encouraging its followers to make war against the unbeliever, but because its leader was a barbaric caravan raider, it teaches that men are superior to women, and the kaffir and Jews are inferior and should be treated in such a way as to feel themselves subdued.
I have read the Koran, and I know what it says. So please don’t tell me that verses are taken out of context. It is the only “holy” book I know that teaches believers how to divide booty. Quite clearly it is the handiwork of a warring robber.
March 28th, 2008 at 4:27 am
I don’t how the ueropean said that they apply the democrasy and in the other sides they fight the religon of more than 140000000 muslims all over the world , i have question , if on og us ( Muslims ) want to produce a film against christian or prophet Iesaa ( jeusus )SAW what will the world do ?
they said that we are terorist , but believe me i can say that those persons are criminals and terorist
March 28th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Akshay …
You are foolish, unwise, ugly bitch son, using this language about Islam. The terror is due to persons like you & not due to Islam or Muslims.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Xander Bouwman
Your are absolutely right I appreciate it.
There are very few people who raise hatred between Muslims & non Muslims (like akshey, geert). We should respect each other & should not use ugly language about each others.
March 28th, 2008 at 7:52 am
The only thing that was in the movie was the fact itself about the Moslems.
The Islam relegion is a hate relegion for all mankind who are nonmuslems.
Islam+Mohamed=Alqaida
March 28th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Yes, I just saw the movie on LIVELEAK. If I could I would hand out a million DVD copies on Times Square, New York City (with many body-guards, of course
I am an American and I wish we had an American Geert Wilders. A courageous man who knows the truth about “the religion of peace”. http://www.prophetofdoom.net
March 28th, 2008 at 9:37 am
may allah blest you all
amien
March 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am
The Quran says : Unto you is your religion, unto me mine……..
March 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Do you want to live in a land that hate you
March 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Amien………………..
Alha DID NOT GAVE ANY ONE THE PREMETION TO KILL?HE JUST GAVE IT TO MUSLEMS!!!!!!! DID YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY HE DID THAT?
March 28th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Geert Wilders, he doesn’t understand at all about Islam. He put the Qur’an statement only piece by piece. If he really intelligent, so he should do the anti-islam movie with his brain no emotion. Do it in great not in coward way like this. Okey, it’s his choice to be one of anti Islam but it doesn’t mean he can insult another religion with emotion.
For everyone who hates Islam, use your brain.
I’m moslem. I appreciate all of religions. I also appreciate if you hate Islam, it’s your choice. But c’mmon it’s not the time to spread your hate emotion. It’s not time to blame each of religions….
Anytime you want discuss about Islam with me, contact me on yahoo messenger as echo_scully.
March 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
At first, I would like to thank the Dutch government for its clear position from this movie and its contents. Second, I would like to say to the Dutch people that we consider you a friend people and I expect that true Muslims have the same feelings towards you. So, don’t worry about any violent actions that you may think it going to happen because Muslims love their religion and they should behave according to Allah’s order when He says in the Quran:
“[164] Say: Shall I seek a lord other than Allâh, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing.”(Al Anaam, chapter 6).
“[15] Whoever goes right, then he goes right only for the benefit of his own self. And whoever goes astray, then he goes astray to his own loss. No one laden with burdens can bear another’s burden. And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)” ( Al Esra, chapter 17).
“[18] And no bearer of burdens shall bear another’s burden; and if one heavily laden calls another to (bear) his load, nothing of it will be lifted even though he be near of kin. You (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) can warn only those who fear their Lord unseen and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât). And he who purifies himself (from all kinds of sins), then he purifies only for the benefit of his own self. And to Allâh is the (final) Return (of all)”.( Fater, chapter 35).
“[7] If you disbelieve, then verily, Allâh is not in need of you; He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are grateful (by being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you what you used to do. Verily, He is the All-Knower of that which is in (men’s) breasts.”(Al Zumar, chapter 39)
Therefore, Wilder neither represents your government nor the Dutch people and I understand that clearly. I would like also to say that every good Muslims condemn all these terrorist events that wilder showed in his movie. Also, the radical Muslims’ opinions that he showed in this movie don’t represent Muslims’ opinions and true Muslims fight such radicalism and extremism. Also, the verses that he showed in his movie are completely misunderstood and they had been taken out of their real context. So he really made of himself a stupid because he knows nothing about what he shows in this movie. So, I think that this movie is not an insult to Islam but crucial evidence proves that Wilder is an ignorant extremist. I would like to post some verses from the Noble Quran that show respect to other religions, peace, freedom and forbidding killing anyone.
Allah says in the Quran “[256] There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower” (Al Baqrah, chapter 2)
[29] And say: “The truth is from your Lord.” Then whosoever wills, let him believe; and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve” ( Al Kahf, chapter 18)
[1] Say (O Muhammad (peace be upon him) to these Mushrikûn and Kâfirûn): “O Al-Kâfirûn (disbelievers in Allâh, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar.)! [2] “I worship not that which you worship, [3] “Nor will you worship that which I worship.[4] “And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. [5] “Nor will you worship that which I worship. [6] “To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism).” ( Al Kaferoon, chapter 109)
[32] Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!. ( Al Maedah, chapter 5)
In the same time, I would like to post a verse in the Bible that you should think about it. “ I hear him say to others, “ Now you may pass thorough the city after him and strike. Your eyes shall not look with pity; show no mercy! Do away with them all – old men, young men, virgins, children, and women – but don’t touch anyone marked with a cross” (EZEKIEL, 9 – 5)
Regards,
Saudi
March 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
All this discussion would not happen and as a matter of fact has not happened in the past if Christiany and/or part thereof would be made fun of or “dragged through the mud”. Why are Muslims so sensitive or are they insecure in their own faith?
The freedom of speech is the MOST fundamental rule of any DEMOCRACY - let’s leave it this way !!!
March 28th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Every moment of Geert Wilders film was UNBIASED TRUTH! Islam will be vanquished and relegated back to the middle ages, where it belongs. All followers of this evil ideology, prepare to meet thy doom. The seeds of terror you have sown, will consume your minds and condemn your black souls, to the greatest depths of Hell, where Mohammed reigns, like a ravenous mad dog. The Islamic faithful, are the scourge of our world and will be found, no matter where they hide, then their evil legions will be systematically eliminated en mass. As your death knell tolls and echo’s throughout the world, there will be no respite or mercy, just the righteous justice due, for the evil deeds of your pack. The time draws near, hounds of Hell and your howling will fall on deaf ears, as you are slaughtered like a rabid flock, of black sheep. The frothing ilk of the Quran, have earned the wrath of humanity, the cleansing has begun. Your maker awaits you, spawn of Satan. May your rotten souls, be tormented for all eternity.
March 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Davidsmountain slow down!
Islam as a religion, as well as Christianity and also Judaism are not the problem. The problem is the NON separation of religion and state.
Whenever religion has become the controlling force in a state, BAD things happened. I fear not religion, I fear NO democracy!
March 28th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
just blast them all away then we’ll have real freedom
March 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Mike1234 . . . Islam is NOT a religion, it is a fascist ideology. I have witnessed the atrocities of these extremists, I have watched the beheading of Americans, the countless murders of peoples of the world at the hands of these twisted cowards. Not to mention 9/11, London, etc. I am committed, as all soldiers of freedom and truth are, to the destruction of these radicals of Islam. The time for talk has passed and war has been declared, it is time to act decisively or be reduced to the acquiescence and subjugation, that now afflicts the heart of Europe, Africa, Asia and the middle east. I have no doubt, once the world wide slaughter of the extremists is well underway, the so-called “moderate” elements will follow their lead and take up the banner of Jihad. There is no time for “slowing down”. It’s full speed ahead, with the enemy focused in our sights. DEATH to Islam! NO MERCY.
March 28th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
If you want to know the truth about Islam, just read our the Quran and you will find out the truth by your self.And stop giving jugements without knowing what Islam is !
Or just ask your self why are you made? why are you in that life? for what reason?
why many christians left the christianity and get converted to islam??
March 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
The truth about Islam and the Quran is self evident, by it’s actions, more than it’s words. I would no more read “the book of lies”(Quran), than I would of Satan worshipers. I have no interest, in understanding the evil that manifests itself, through the actions of its mislead and brainwashed followers, of Islam. You can proselytize and posture, until Hell’s darkest corners are filled, with damned souls of Islam. Nothing can be said in defense of Islam or the Quran, that will erase the truth of the horror and killing in the name of Allah. Muslims had their chance to stand for righteousness, but they chose to come out for cartoons and to mutilate themselves, chanting death to “insert your country or religion here”! The way is clear and it’s to confront and resolutely destroy, the enemy of freedom and peace. It will be the followers of Islam that convert . . . convert to ashes and dust, as their souls join their master in evil, Mohammed.
March 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
In fact & as a muslim, I can see that Geert has a political agenda behind this as the film contains NOTHING to mention. For Non-muslims who care to know the truth of this religion “Islam”, find an English version of quraan (Or any other language) &am